BruCast Interview — Why I Started Podcasting (and Why I Still Love It)

Brent Dowlen: Bluey vs Reading for Kids, Is Tom Cruise a Vampire & Why Podcasts Fail – BruCast #129 Transcript

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Welcome back to another BruCast episode. If you haven’t subscribed yet, please make sure to comment, like, and subscribe. Yes. Yes. Leave a comment. I want to see some engagement to the channel, guys. If you’re on Spotify, you can also leave a comment. There’s this new comment section thing. So, yeah, follow, comment, subscribe, and welcome back to another BruCast episode. Today, we have we have a very special guest. His name is Brent Dowin. How are you doing, my friend? I’m great, man. I’m I’m excited to be here today, bro. Me, too. I’m excited to have you on the show, man. I I um So, let’s start with introductions, shall we? Yeah. All right. Uh introd I’m always bad at introductions, but I’m a pretty straightforward forward guy. I’m I’m a father. I’m a husband. I’m a podcaster and a men’s coach. I I make five different shows from fatherhood to relationship and personal developments. Uh I have a children’s show. I have a news show. I mean, lots of stuff going on, but mainly I just, man, I want to affect the world in a positive way. I want to change people’s lives. And my focus is starting with men because just historically, I’ve seen that as men live their best lives, it has a positive effect around them. Just this radiating effect. So, that’s where I focus and that’s what I do. All right. Okay. Well, that’s a good start. You said you’re bad at it. I think you’re pretty good. I I do this a a whole lot more than I used to. I used to like not make appearances on other people’s shows because I get really nervous and start getting really chatty. Like I’ve been I’ve recorded hundreds of episodes of my own shows, but I get on this side of the mic, I’m like that imposttor syndrome sets in really hard. Really? Yeah. So funny. I’ve been to one show as a guest before and honestly for it’s a different experience, right? I felt I felt like the same because at least the way I try to approach my show is just having a conversation. So when it’s the other way around, I also just having a conversation. May maybe that that helps. I don’t No, I was I was listening to the show and was like, “Okay, I can I can do this, right? We’re just gonna talk. This isn’t like a I have to, you know, be some genius today. I I I can just talk to Brew. We’re going to be cool. It’s going to work. Yeah, man. It’s cool. It’s cool. So, uh, men’s coach. Um, so h how this came to be where where this idea came from, you know, this this all started out as a book to be honest like over five years ago now. Uh, I started writing a book, which is still not done for the record. Just throw that out there now before you ask me to plug that one. Um, I started writing a book. I got about 120 pages in and I started looking into self-publishing because like, okay, well, I’m not anybody special. I was just I had several friends who had asked me to write a book specifically for women about men to help. We had a lot of female friends that I would help translate their boyfriends or their husbands for them because they didn’t speak the same language. It would seem they’d be like, “Oh, he’s doing this.” I’d be like, “Well, what that actually means is this, right?” But I I already had the whole, you know, radar going off. I was like, “I’m not going to write a book for women about men because then I’m going to, you know, it was before people started using the term mansplaining, but I I knew that was coming.” And so I thought, well, what can I do in a positive way? So I started writing a book for men about just living your best life. And you know it was following my own journey. I was on my own journey. It was like okay well I can write what I’ve done so far and maybe that will help somebody. But as I looked in self-publishing I’m like oh crap I need an audience otherwise my wife and my mom are going to read this and and that’s it. We’ll select two copies. Okay. So, I jumped on the social media train and it took about two weeks to realize I hate social media. You can’t do something really well when you utterly despise it. Like to this day, my social media apps are in a phone uh folder on my phone that says waste of time. Um, I only jump on my social media accounts and I have like 10 of them, but I only jump on my social media accounts for my podcast and stuff long enough to post and then I’m back off. I I literally just hate social media still. But after two weeks of it, it’s like, okay, I’m not going to become Insta famous because I hate Instagram and it all sucks. Got it. So, I started looking for another uh platform, right? I already listened to several podcasts. And I thought, hey, I grew up a preachers’s kid. I used to be a minister. I can talk non-stop. That’s that’s like an easy thing for me. I have no fear of public speaking. I’ve spoken in front of thousands of people before. And I’ve been doing it since I was a child. So, it’s like, yeah, podcast. I can do a podcast. And I turned on a camera with no intention of ever editing a video. I was just going to stick it on YouTube as kind of a double whammy. Like, if somebody watches it there, great. But I wanted to focus on the audio. Yeah, I fell in love with the world of podcasting. I’ve been doing it ever since. We’re uh approaching 400 episodes on my main show. Uh I’ve been doing it since September 2020 now. I’ve launched four other shows since then. We literally my newest show is a local news show that I do daily Monday through Friday for my local area. It’s about 10 minutes long every morning. It’s between seven to 14 minutes long basically and it’s just the local news. I’m getting hundreds of downloads because our area has nothing like it. But I just started that a week and a half ago. I did episode number seven today. Yeah. So I I just fell in love with the medium. I’ve been doing it ever since. And like I said, now I’m up to five shows. That’s amazing. Like I commend you. That’s I have one show. I can barely keep it up. It’s a lot of work. I mean, I’m joking. I I can keep it up, but it’s a lot of work. It’s a lot of commitment. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It’s uh especially when you do like all your stuff. I I I freelance podcast producing for some other people, so I I produce other shows on the side every now and then for extra money, but yeah, it’s it’s a times commitment. I spend I I run like 17 hour days on average. Wow. All right. Wow, bro. But that’s the thing. I agree with the commitment part that that’s what I like about it so much is is episodic, right? And uh it’s something that you do it for at least the way I see it’s for yourself. You do it because you like it. Like if you’re not Joe Rogan, like it’s not like you’re going to make money out of it. At least that’s my experience. It’s a it’s a work of passion, right? And and it’s also so social. At least for me, that’s what I I get so much out of it. I I get to know so many new people. I talk right now. I I I we just met. We’re going to probably have a very engaging conversation that I will remember for a long time. Like that. That’s gets me excited. I like it. You know, the the thing the the only thing that really gets me on you is there are not a lot of like there’s not a lot of great platforms for podcast for social intera with your audience. I’m so excited about Spotify’s new feature and the fact that you can put comments now. Yeah, like I I was listening to your intro and I’m so excited about that fact because that’s been one of the missing pieces in the podcasting world for a long time was the ability to actually interact with your listeners on the audio platforms. There are a couple apps like GoodPods uh and Fountain that are trying to change that, but on the primary ones they’re just people listen and they might rate you or they but there there’s no real interaction. So, I’m excited to see that change because I want to be able to interact with my audience more. And your audience on YouTube is totally different than your audience on an audio platform. No, I How so? I I I don’t know about that. There’s almost no overlap at all. Really? Uh recent industry report came out. I believe that it’s somewhere right around 78 to 83% of listeners on podcasts are still audiobased even if they use YouTube to find your podcast. They might pull it up on YouTube. Like that’s how I got into listening to podcast is I would pull it up on YouTube and listen to it in the background. I just pull up the screen and turn it on. But I’d listen to the background while I was at work uh when I worked in the corporate world. And that’s still even if people find you on YouTube, most of the interaction is still audio based that people are they’re listening to it. People listen to podcast while they do things, while they drive, while they exercise, while they walk. People listen to it in the background while they’re things and it it’s very intimate because people find their, you know, usually about six or seven different podcasts they like and that’s what they listen to. And so you have a very intimate relationship with your listener because you’re one of their six or seven and they listen to you all the time. They show up over and over again and it’s it’s amazing. But it’s been a very one directional kind of relationship and yeah like YouTubers people don’t go to YouTube to watch a podcast. It’s still a good idea to have it. It’s great for discoverability, but it’s not the same crowd that is actively pursuing your podcast most other places. Wow, that’s good to know. I didn’t know about that. That’s very interesting. I I was very reluctant to upload uh on Spotify because they also have this video feature now. I was like, what’s the whole point? I already have it on YouTube. We’re going to do just the same thing all over again, Spotify, but now you encourage me to do so because it’s not the same audience. Yeah. Well, it’s like there’s not a lot of crossover between social media and podcast listeners. Yeah. Oh, that’s cool, man. I didn’t know. So guys, you heard here first. Podcasters, we want your comments. Comment away. We love you guys. We want to hear from you. Want to hear from you. So Brent, you said you have five podcasts. Which what they are about? So my original podcast uh is now called the Driven to Thrive podcast and it was originally the fallible man podcast. We rebranded last season. Uh people I I’d explain the title and people like, “Oh, that’s really cool.” But I had to explain the title and and that really that hurts you in like Apple podcast and stuff like that and Spotify, right? So I wanted to make it a little more clear. But it’s all about men living their best lives is a men’s podcast focused on relationship and personal development because that’s the core foundation for all men. And that might be a relationship with a spouse. That might be a relationship with your kids. Or that’s the relationship with your friends and your co-workers or your parents or your siblings. Relationships are foundational. It’s what makes life worth living. If you if you remove that like why do you do everything else after that? Right? So we focus on building our best relationships because that’s critical and then on what can we control about our lives? What can we do ourselves to live our best life, right? We can take responsibility and we can identify the things that are in our way or that are holding us back or that are negatively affecting us and work to resolve those things, right? One one step at a time. And uh I focus on that from a very specific standpoint. We come at it from looking at the neurological reason you do things or how it affects you neurologically, right? What’s going on in your brain? Uh we look at it from the stoics and from scripture. And it’s like, why are you living this life? What what are some of these outlooks on it? What are these some things we got to name? We just talked about men taking on like unspoken unspoken contracts, right? People, you you agree to do something or you you just voluntarily do something to help and then next time they want you to do it again and again and all of a sudden you never sat down and said, “Hey, you know, I’m going to do this and take this on.” It just became an assum thing and as men we tend to just carry that and we’ll carry that until it grinds us into dust if we aren’t careful. So we were talking about you know identifying some of those things is like we didn’t really agree to this maybe we need to step back and say do we did we take on too much do we need to actually share that with somebody and so that’s that’s the whole focus in that one. Um I have the Dad Hat Shenan podcast. You can see the if you’re watching on video guys, you can see the red hat in the background is my red bowler cap. Uh it is like super loud. My wife was like, “Why red bowler cap?” Because it’s memorable. Visually, it is memorable. Um but it’s it’s just an unfiltered conversation for fathers, right? The goods, the bads, the parts that we don’t admit out loud or talk about. It’s like, “Yeah, you know, sometimes my kid sucks. There are times I kind of don’t like being a dad. There are other times I love it, right? We and we just go wherever. I have four or five questions that I use for continuity sake when I’m interviewing somebody. It’s a fully interview show. Um the only requirement is being a father, but I have four or five questions I ask for continuity. And then we just talk about whatever that dad wants to talk about because there are a lot of dads who just need to hear somebody else say, “Yeah, you know what? My kid ate paste too. It’s okay. They’re not going to die. You know, your kid’s not because they got into the dog food. It’s okay, right? My kid did some things and it really pissed me off. Or, you know, my kids’s great. I love them, but I’m stressed trying to keep up with everything. Uh, and it’s just unfiltered raw conversation about fatherhood, every part of it. Then I have the my children’s podcast, which is just a passion project. I read books to kids online. It’s it’s more YouTube focused than I put it on the podcast platforms. It’s called Read Me a Story Dad. There is so much benefit and health to reading to a child out loud. And there are so many families who maybe both parents aren’t at home for whatever reason or both parents are working like dogs because they’re just trying to survive, right? And they don’t have time to sit and read to their kids near as often they’d like to or whatever. It’s no judgments. It’s just dads reading books. And I invite people all the time. I I have some other guys who have read books for me, but we literally just read story books to kids online. That’s all it is. Uh I actually I know a police officer in major crimes that uses it. She has it bookmarked on her phone. So, if there’s a kid at a crime scene, she can pull it up because there’s no ads, there’s no marketing, there’s no all it takes, there’s no uh agenda. It It’s just reading begins. And so, she knows she can set it down with a kid who’s stressed out and frustrated or scared and they’re just going to get a book read to them while she’s trying to work through the situation. Uh my wife likes to use it in the nursery at our church as well. I have my news podcast that I mentioned already. Uh it’s called Good Morning Quincy, Washington. And it’s literally just a daily Monday through Friday. Hey, here’s what’s going on in our town. Because I live in a tiny little town in the middle of central Washington, 10,000 people or less. It takes my wife and I two hours to aggregate 10 minutes worth of information. Our local paper went out a couple years ago. There’s like 30 Facebook pages just about our town. um and then a dozen sites like the school sites and the city sites and stuff like that. So it takes us two hours to aggregate 10 minutes worth of information because so much is happening in our town. And on average in any given town, no matter where you live, on average the stat is statistic is that less than 5% of the local population knows about any given event going on. So if you have stuff going on in your town, only about 5% of that population knows that you have something going on in that town. And then my last show, I have something called Behind Closed Mics. It’s my behind the payw wall Patreon only podcast. And that’s just where we get super unfiltered. That is the hey this is what my life looks like as a father and a dad who’s trying to show up really well as both who works with men who’s running five shows as well as producing other people’s work and doing digital marketing on the side. This is the insanity of my life and this is the behind the scenes what it actually looks like. Here’s the stresses, the doubts, the frustrations, the wins, the lows, everything. Man, that’s amazing. There’s so much to unpack there. That’s so interesting. I really like, at least my first perception, my first uh impression rather, is that you found podcasting as a way of uh what’s the correct term? It’s an outlet for several areas of your life. Would you agree with that? Like talking about fatherhood, like you have a podcast being updated with the news. You have a podcast for it, you know? Uh it’s amazing. It’s it’s really cool. I I originally started the podcast with a podcast with a similar similar vibe like I need more social interactions. There was my outlet, the podcast, but he he went even more nuanced and and this is mind-blowing. It’s really cool. It’s it’s an uncomfortable. So, I mentioned my my father was a minister. Um, I’ve been speaking in public, which is the number one fear in the world, actually. Public speaking is the most terrifying thing to people in the world, which blows my mind because I’ve been doing it since before I was 11. I’ve been doing it regularly since I was 11 years old. I’m 46 now. Um, but with my dad being a minister and he’d preach at smaller churches usually, I was uphelping all the time and uh involved with the children’s program, right? I’d get up and do stuff for the children’s programs with my mom and stuff like that. But then at about 11 years old, I started leading worship in church. And so people were like, it’s so afraid like talking the trick is getting me to shut up. I live in a house with four women. My I have my wife and my two daughters. My mom lives with us. She’s 73. The trick is getting me to shut up. So for podcasting was just like such a natural thing. It’s like I just got to talk. I can talk. We can do that, right? And it’s just filtered into every part of my life. Now the problem is like not boring my friends who know me outside of my podcast. because this is what I do all day. It’s amazing. It’s really cool. I I I I I be honest. It’s it’s really really cool. I would like to unpack a couple of the of the things that you brought up. Is that okay? Yeah. Let’s go. So, one of one of the things you said is that it there are many benefits on reading for kids besides the connection that you’re creating with them, the bonding. what kind of benefits you’re referring to. Well, there’s uh been numerous studies and I I apologize because I don’t have like notes in front of me so I can cite those for you, but there’s been numerous studies when you start to look into it about the fact that reading to children, especially at an earlier age, it increases their own reading level from an early age. It increases their ability to sit still actually and to focus on something. Um, it increases their creativity like their imagination actually grows better and faster. It increases their IQ. They actually are smarter because someone bothered to read to them. When you start unpacking these things for kids where someone just loves to read to them and they’re being read to, their mind goes wild. They hear words. On average, their vocabulary, their vocabulary is like 20% larger, maybe 30% larger than kids who don’t get read to. And they start to understand how to express ideas and thoughts and how to process emotions better because they’re experiencing that with the books you’re reading to them, right? Because even even a kids book, right? A very simple like you know I read books for my program that you know sometimes the show is four minutes long. There is always in every story there is a conflict resolution at the base of every story. Right? I just read one called uh something up the hill and the animals start noticing that there’s there’s something to win, something is changing and it’s about all these animals that a little mouse starts it and they they journey up the hill to see what is what’s happening and it’s pages of them adding one animal after the other and all of a sudden there’s like seven friends going up this hill together and it turns out it’s the first shoot of spring after a long winter. Right? But there is there’s an emotional trail that goes up this. You see them connecting. You see them interacting. Now there’s drama building. What’s actually happening? What is this thing? Right? It’s such a simple like the p the book is probably 20 pages long. It took me five minutes to read it online. But they go through this whole range of emotion and conflict resolution and you know there’s tension and everything else. and you’re teaching children how to actually deal with these things in a positive way. Now, obviously, if you’re reading them some trashy book that kids shouldn’t be reading, that could cause other problems. They’re reading age appropriate books. You’re teaching kids to put words behind feelings. You’re teaching them to recognize feelings because now you’re describing it in ways they can connect with to identify what’s going on in their own body and mind. So, yeah, it’s it’s amazing. the farther you go into it, like the list just gets longer and longer of the benefits. Oh yeah, man. Playing devil’s advocate for a second, how different that from just watching an episode from Bluey for for example or or a good cartoon. You know that that’s a very valid question because I I know a lot of parents who would ask that very question in fact and the slight differences are what is a connection point. Part of the reason it’s so magical reading to kids is there is that intimate connection between human voices and that visualation visualization of a person who cares about me is doing this with me. It accesses a different part of the brain. Whereas with like Bluy and stuff like that, programs on television, yeah, they might be getting a story, but there’s so much going on, you’re actually overwhelming young brains. A young brain can only process, they can process a lot more than people realize. But when you add visual effects and light and the light coming off the television, right, just being on a screen makes it less healthy for their brain, right? When you add the layers of music and the sound effects all coming out them at once, these are the things that make television like, have you tried Have you tried doing this? Uh, do you have a pair of blue light blocking glasses? No. Try this. And I I encourage all your listeners to try this. Buy a pair of blue light blocking glasses. All right? and go watch your favorite television program for a couple days with them on and then go back to it with it off and see the difference in how you feel. You will actually be less tired after watching it. You will be less emotionally drained. Your brain will be less overwhelming. You actually start to get bored with your favorite shows even really. Wow. There is so much in the background of a commercially produced program. So much research goes into the color choices, the sound choices, the way things move. Like down even to cartoons, the way things move. Disney is talking about going back to handdrawn animation because people had a better place. The older movies are still preferred over the newer movies because there was something about the difference in the style of a handdrawn animation that affected us at a neurological level somehow that they still don’t understand. I mean, I would say so. I mean, I’m not saying that 3D artists don’t have don’t put their their soul and and love and care into their work, but there’s a layer in between you and the the the characters like the computer and when when you’re drawing like that’s actually your drawing, you know? I’m not sure if I’m expressing myself corre correctly. I mean, there’s still a layer the pencil, but it’s it’s less, you know, you’re a little bit more connected to the thing. And I I remember like uh I studed I studied animation at the university and there’s so many pres like squish and squash and you know there’s different weird frames that the the artist could insert into the the paper the during the the creative process that uh is just super hard to replicate in 3D. I saw like people bragging about how how they can break the rules in 3D to to replicate a little bit of those weird frames in order to make it more soful. That’s a is that a word? I don’t know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. You know what I mean? My my friend does uh he works in video game design and he does like 3D rendering models for environment. That’s his specialty. And I mean he works really hard at it, but he is not connected to that art that he created the same way that my daughter who is 14, she’s gotten into art. And so we’ve been nurturing that because that’s what she’s passionate about. And like the love she puts into an image she creates, she’s connected with it just by doing it herself. Whereas my friend, he loves all kinds of things. RC he’s great graphic designer and does great work but he’s not emotionally connected to what he’s doing and I don’t know I don’t understand the psychology or the neurology or whatever the heck it is how it affects us differently but there was something about the love that went into drawing that animation that translated across the screens. M well I I I work in the gaming industry as well, right? And and I I I have an answer. I think sometimes we just need to get the work done. As simple as that. We have the the deadline and that’s it. Oh yeah. And who cares if it’s if you’re putting your soul in just get it done. The the game needs to be shipped like and I think this plays a huge role. Oh yeah. know it’s it it’s little right and that’s the thing right is you have to pick and choose I I am not against technology or anything like that uh you know I love playing video games as much as everybody else and I I don’t need to know that that scene that my guy is standing in front of as he’s emptying a magazine on an any player was handdesigned like I don’t care, right? But there’s just there are there’s places for everything, right? I I’m not against some of the stuff AI is generating. AI can create some really beautiful pictures. It’s interesting to see how that is changing the artistry landscape and many other landscapes at the moment. But I’m not even opposed to that necessarily. But there are places like somehow our psyche connects to certain things. Yeah. Yeah. I did you see what 50 Cent replied to this uh AI stuff or Yeah. the AI stuff in general. So because apparently there was a huge successful um reimagination of one of his songs made with AI. It’s I listened a couple of times. It’s very good. It feels like really someone sung the the thing for real, but it’s completely AI and and it’s supposed to be his voice. And I was like, whoa. I was blown away. And they asked him personally like, “Hey, 50 Cent, what do you think about that?” He’s like, you know, it’s um it’s a tool. It’s a new tool and there’s just no no way of fighting it. It’s just it’s here to stay. I’m paraphrasing, right? I’m paraphr. And uh the best I can do is uh find a way to work with it, not against it. I was like there we go there. There we go. Someone understand it. Like not because people are hating on AI, which is happening. That’s going to go away. Like it’s just outside of our control at this point. Well, it’s it’s cultural history, right? Yeah. I’m I’m old enough to have seen some minor things like selfch checkckout. selfch checkckout at stores when that first started happening. I remember people freaking out about it, right? But the the thing is once technology is out of the bottle, it’s never going back. We can’t we can’t stuff the genie back in. It doesn’t work that way. And I I hear people complaining all the times like, you know, oh, robots are taking over these jobs or right like I said with selfch checkckout, oh blah blah blah. Okay, you know, every it’s a cycle and every profession is going to deal with it sooner or later, right? AI is now me messing with jobs that they thought, well, you know, robots will never take these jobs. Okay, yeah, we got AI now, right? And this is our field, right? Podcasting. There’s a company putting out like a 100,000 podcasts every year now that’s all AI generated. Yeah, but that’s the thing. Uh it I think it’s like the Disney 3D things like the remakes that no one no one’s watching because the so is not there. Right. Right. And that’s the thing in the long run, right? There’s this flood of it right now and it’s going to replace some jobs they didn’t think were replaceable. Well, we went through that with the industrial revolution, right? That that radically changed the world. Uh the automated assembly line radically changed the world. And it’s just a different iteration, right? It’s a new technology that’s going to replace some jobs. It’s not going to replace others. I think some of the soulful stuff like real podcast, real artists, like musicians and actual artists, right? For a time, there’s going to be a big push to put out the AI generated crap. In the long run, it’s actually going to make humanmade products like this more valuable to people. For now, everybody’s like, “Oh, we’re going to lose like we’re going to lose out and it’s going to completely destroy our industry.” Now, now you just got to got to wait for it to keep going through the through the motion of the wheel because in the long run, people are going to get so oversaturated with the AI created crap, they’re actually going to move real stuff made by real people to a premium level. Yeah. I This is what you listen to if you can’t afford it. If you want to hear real people, you got to pay a premium, right? That’s that’s what’s going to happen. Have you seen the Tik Tok? Like the it’s a sketch, right? The girl goes into the cinema and she asks for a movie ticket. It’s like one movie ticket, please. And then the cashier goes, “Yeah, do you want the AI version or the human version?” It’s like, “What’s the difference?” AI version is 5. The human version is 500. It’s like because it’s going to produce it the value that it contain. It’s way way more. It’s uh way higher, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I I joke about it, but it’s gonna happen. Yeah. Uh Brent, we need to go into your quick sponsor break and we’re gonna be right back. All right. See you soon. Parents, have you been searching for an app that’s both fun and educational for your kids? I’ve got something exciting to share with you today. It’s called Fantastic Plus. Fantastic Plus is a free app where education needs entertainment, designed specially for children ages 2 to 12. It’s built by experts, completely adfree, and totally safe, so you can feel confident handing your phone or tablet to your little ones. Inside the app, kids will find a world of engaging content, their favorite cartoons, audio books and songs to spark imagination, educational games that make learning fun, and all of that to keep them entertained while supporting their development. Fantastic Plus available on iPhones and iPads, and even works offline. 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Like she’s a world phenomenon and uh she’s not real. all her music is kind of synthetic and but the fact that she’s an cute anime girl and she I think she was one of the first first singers out there who started doing that like it’s pretty old I would say more than 15 years ago she’s highly successful so my point being even though I I agree with you that in the future most of her content will be AI I still believe that a large majority will not care I large majority. I don’t know how big this this I don’t know how many people, but there’s going to be certain people that just won’t care. Yeah. No, no. And I think you’re 100% right about that. So that’s why I said it’s going to move real content up to a premium, right? What happens when you reduce availability, right? When you when you reduce I mean that’s why diamonds cost so much is to beers lock someone up. Diamonds are that is one of the greatest scams in history, right? It really is. They’re not worth anything. They’re they’re one of the most plentiful things on the earth. The earth is constantly making diamonds. The beers just owns all the diamond mines and locks them up. But why it because it makes the ones that are out valuable, right? We convince people, oh, we added sentimental value to diamond and then convinced people they were valuable and then we made them scarce. real content being scarce. The majority of people, yeah, a lot of people are gonna be like, “Who cares, man? I can I can jump onto a platform and tell it, hey, make me a movie with Chris Pat, Scarlett Johansson, and uh, you know, that chick from the Fallout series and put them together and make the movie about this.” And it’s going to make that movie for me, and I’m like, “Yeah, this is cool. This is what I want to watch.” But real content is going to age and become a premium where for the more distinguished for the more picky about things, right? It’s going to be the upper echelon who are more discerning. That’s the word I was looking for. The more discerning viewers, they don’t want the AI content. They want real people because they understand the value of it. It is it’s like as stupid as it sounds like honestly that is what I believe is gonna happen and we’re still gonna have Tom Cruz at 90 jumping out of sk is a skyscraper. Yes. Yes sir. I believe that is a first he’s gonna have to run because he got to run in every shot and then he can jump off the skyscraper with an amazing stunt team that he actually does his own stunts and the directors just go oh my god don’t die don’t die. That’s the thing in this thrill. There’s no AI that can replicate that. No, I mean we can we can that that’s one of the reasons but you know that’s one of the reasons that people still think of Tom Cruz as a premium actor even at his age, right? That’s one of the reasons we want to see it because he understands the value of actually doing things versus VFX, right? VFX have been around in in multiple formats in multiple levels for what 40 years or more, but used to when you had a monster movie, you had a guy in a rubber suit, right? Um, you used to like I just watched uh Frankenstein recently and I’m absolutely a huge fan of the director because one of the things he insisted on doing was he built the full ship set. Oh, the new one with Oscar Oscar Isaac. Yeah, with Oscar Issac. Yeah, right. It’s a GMO terror, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Directed it. But he actually built the full ship set. He built the full laboratory set with like full-blown stage crews, hand painted sets because he understood the power that translates on screen when you do it in real life. Tom Cruz, he figured out a long time ago, right, for the second Top Gun. Did you see the the sequel that they did 30 years later? Mic. Oh, man. I love it. It wasn’t one of the best movies of the year. Dude bought eight F-16s or sorry, F-18s. Tom Cruz literally bought eight F-18s or maybe it was six, but he he bought six or eight real F-18s because you can’t fake the shots in the air from the pilot’s perspective and from the actual aerial photography. You can’t fake that. You have to get real pilots doing it in real machines to have that same feeling behind it. Just like in the last Mission Impossible, whatever 27 we’re on now. I’m not sure if there’s more of those or the Fast and Furious, but you know, he made that huge jump off the motorcycle, off the cliff, parachuting, right? I was watching a making of he did over a thousand motorcycle jumps prepping for that shot on a dirt bike himself, learning to properly jump. You see, you you say that he understands what the public wants. I think he’s just an adrenaline junkie and well that may be very true and he’s just using his movies as uh well for doing what you love right why not if I could get them to pay me to jump out of airplanes I’d be doing it yes you want to pay me yes I will I will get paid to skydive I will get paid to ride a cycle yeah I’d do it if you won’t pay me so yeah the guy just figured out his angle Like I get to do all this cool stuff and I get to write it off on my taxes and they pay me for it. It’s like a trifecta of a win right there. Yeah. Yeah. But Tom Cruz is something else because I mean look at Harrison Ford if I’m not mistaken. He’s also a pilot. He also has his own airplane but he’s not jumping out of them. Well, have you have you seen them like on the red carpet? Harrison Ford’s age is showing through a whole lot more than Tom Cruz’s. Oh, do you think it has something to do with the the active lifestyle? Yeah, probably. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or Tom Cruz is a vampire, didn’t that’s the other alternative. I don’t know. He made this movie. Why he still looks 12? Um, Brent, so I would like to talk with you about your news podcast. Is Is that okay? Yeah. So, you mentioned that you spend two hours gathering information for one episode. I’d like to ask you how how is that process? Because most people the way they they gather information, they they listen and hear about the news is just scrolling through Tik Tok. I assume you don’t do that for two hours every day. Oh, good lord. No. I do spend a lot of time on Facebook, not Tik Tok. Boundaries, boundaries. I just, you know, actually I I started Tik Tok years ago because a friend of mine who’s a business owner, very successful. He’s like, “Bro, you need to get on TikTok. Like, this is going to be the next thing. You need to get on Tik Tok. Your content is perfect.” We were talking, he had a brickandmortar store at the We’re at his store like he’s just having this business conversation in the middle of his store while customers are coming and going and the staff’s taking care of him and he would not let me leave till I actually created Tik Tok. So I finally created one. I tried it. I hated it and then they talked about banning it here in the US and so I just stopped doing anything with it and then they I guess they didn’t ban it. So it’s still on my phone. I just haven’t opened it in who knows how long. It’s tracking you, man. If you’re not if you’re not using it, China is spying on you. I don’t think everybody a dog spying on us at this point. So, I mean, I don’t know. I’m just saying what people believed back then. Well, you know, I honestly like, you know, my own government spying on us, China spying on us. I’m sure the British government and several other governments are all spying on all of us. That’s that’s the game they play, right? Everybody’s spying on each other. We just all pretend we’re not. Yeah. I I think it’s kind of funny. It’s like, you know, that knowing look you give the guy who who’s you’re you’re doing you’re supposed to be doing something like my my buddy and I at church like I’m looking at him like giving the head nod like yeah you’re trying to stay awake and he’s giving me the same head like you know but you don’t talk about it right all the governments spy on each other they all spy on their people they know we we don’t talk about it so who cares if they’re not spying on us through TikTok they’re spying on us through something else I’m I’m one of the you know, psycho believers that believes that the CIA actually funded Facebook anyway. So, yeah, I don’t know. But that’s a whole another that’s a whole another ball game. So, my new show, I spent a lot of time. So, my little town of like, like I said, we’re right around 10,000 people. It’s a very rural area. The whole town is farming community. We grow wine, grapes. We grow apples. Uh like 30 miles kind of northeast of me is the apple capital of the world. Wachi, Washington. Like it’s orchards and orchards and orchards and orchards and more orchards. You probably eat apples from our states. Uh most of the world does. We ship them all over the globe. Um but we have a lot of potatoes and feed corn, asparagus, hay in this region. And even with this small little rural community, there are over 30 Facebook pages just dedicated to our town. The animal shelter has one, the police department has one, the fire department has one, the chamber of commerce has one, the recck department has one. Like, it just goes on and on and on and on. And that’s not private groups. And that’s not even counting local business pages like some of our local businesses pages, right? just community based. There’s over 30 pages. On top of that, there’s another 10 city or community based websites about art. And so my wife and I just have all all these pages bookmarked and we sit there at the end of the evening while usually we’ve got like a TV show going in the background watching something with our kids before we put them to bed. like watch like some of the 30-minute sitcoms like Last Man Standing. I’ll watch reruns of Last Man Standing and Big Bang Theory, but we’ll have those going in the background and my wife and I are sitting there on our phones and our laptops just aggregating information. It’s like I shared earlier, right? The statistics, I actually looked those up on this. Less than 5% of the population knows about any given event. So, say you’re a member of a community organization like gosh, what’s something everybody has? Um, at the Chamber of Commerce, right? Most towns have a chamber of commerce, which is just a really weird answer of all the local businesses are pay to be part of this for some reason. And for some reason, that gives us credibility or something. I don’t really know why. I’m a member of the Chamber of Commerce. I pay my dues. I don’t know what it actually has done for me since I started my business. I had no clue. But what most towns have a chain of commerce at least in the US, but they have multiple events throughout the year. Well, if we got 10,000 people in town, less than 5% of them know about those activities. That’s a really small subset of people. And those are the only people who are really interested in small business stuff in our town. The majority of the people in our town have no idea. I actually found this out because we have a big community theater program in our area. And back in December, my children were in children’s program. We worked on it started like we started practices in September. I was the technical director for it because a friend of ours is the director and sucked me into it. I was like, “Brent, do this. You You know how to run all this tech stuff.” Great. Yeah. Okay. But we worked on this for three and a half months. We had four performances, three night shows, one afternoon matinea over the course of a Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I met so many people in town who had no idea that we had had a children’s program. Like they’re like, “Oh, I wish I had known we had a children’s play. We’ve been working on this for months. There are posters. How do you not know we had a children’s play?” One of our dearest friends was like, “You got to call us when the girls are doing something like this.” I was like, “You sit on the board of directors for this community theater program. What do you mean you didn’t know my kids were involved and I was involved?” Uh, but that that’s the reality. Unless you are deeply invested like our high school, right? Uh, we have a big fundraiser coming up for our choir to raise the money is the money they use to go to like Washington DC on choir competition they go to every year and stuff like that. Unless you have a kid in choir, you probably don’t know that there was a choir concert in December as well or you don’t know about this fundraiser they’re doing for the choir booster club. Unless you have a kid in choir or unless they hit you up to as a business to donate something to the auction or something, right? It’s just the reality. Our choir program is excellent. We have a great choir director for our high school. The Christmas program was beautiful and it was something beautiful to listen to. At least I’m told I couldn’t go. Uh but my wife and kids went and I’ve heard them perform other times. It’s a great program and I’m a big believer in uh the arts like music, band, choir, drama for kids as a creative outlet, but so many people don’t know that they happened unless you have a kid in that or unless you have someone close a close family member, close friend of the family or something, you don’t know. So, and no one no one is doing what my wife and I are doing as far as spending two hours aggregating news. I am literally hunting through social media and through websites finding this information. Little by little, I’m getting people to actually like the choir director reached out to me today via email and asked me to update the announcement because the uh fundraiser is Saturday. So, she asked me to change it up and she sent me the copy for it. I was like, “Yes, yes. Thank you for reaching out to me.” Uh, our recck department director has reached out to me directly because they have all kinds of things happening in our recck department. We have a big preschool thing every week for preschool moms where we have an indoor play area at the recck department for the kids to come play which matters because it’s below freezing here, right? So, get your preschoolers outside or in a big environment where they can run, not destroy your house and you can socialize with their other parents. It’s a great program. Most moms have no idea it’s happening. So, I’m starting to get community outreach, like people are reaching out to me, asking me to add things to the show and making sure we got it. I’m also like proactively seeking out, but I’ve gotten multiple calls, emails, people stopping me who know I’m involved with it, going, “We need this so badly.” The choir director, like I said, reached out today. She’s like, “I’ve been starting my morning every morning with your show. I love it. I turn it on while I’m getting ready for work. And I know more about what’s going on in our community and I’m involved with it here and I know more about what’s going on with our community now than I. Man, that’s amazing. No joke about it. Yeah, I I I can see how helpful this is. I we here in Germany um I live in a town town called Gutslo. I have the own radio from Gulo, but it it’s like a song from Taylor Swift and then the weather and then like two songs from Taylor Swift and then like bro, you know, like come on, play something else. But also tell me something something about the news. Like we I don’t think we have a podcast like that. I can see how helpful this this would be. For example, yesterday, believe it or not, we had the northern lights here in German League. Never seen before. It was a spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spectacle. A lot of people knew about it. I didn’t know about it. If I knew that the northern lights were normally they only exist where in Finland and the north pole are happening are happening here. I could just have looked up at 2 a.m. or something. I would have done it, but I didn’t know about it. And I guess uh accordingly to the the statist statistics only 5% of people knew about it. I was like how crazy is that? Like everyone should have known about it. So I mean think about your town, right? You you’ve got stuff going on in your town. How much more is happening in your town that you probably actually have no idea is happening. You didn’t know the northern lights were happening, but how much other stuff is happening right there? There are people in your community. I don’t know how large your town, but there are people in your community doing things and there are probably people doing your community doing things that you’d like to know about. But unless you actually hunt it down, it’s it’s crazy because we’re more connected than ever. But at the same time, we’re more alone than ever. So I had to search 100,000 people. So you probably got a whole lot going on in your town. Like I’m a fraction, right? We’re 10% of that. So think think about how much is happening where you live that you probably have no idea is actually happening. That could be schools, that could be community outreach, that could be local churches, that could be local clubs, that could be there there’s there’s unlimited possibilities. That could be concerts, that could be clubs, that could be anything. Yeah. Uh, do you spend any money on marketing whatsoever? So, we have officially been doing this. Like I said, I’ve done seven episodes. We started last Monday. Um, I put out a promo the Friday before. Like I I released a 30 second promo when I established and grabbed. Okay, here I have these right registered as a podcast on the different players uh with my host. I put out a 30 secondond trailer on Friday. I left the weekend to go to my brother-in-law’s birthday party. I came home Sunday night and Monday morning we did our first show and we’ve been doing it Monday through Friday since. Right. So, we’re on Wednesday today. So, we just released our I guess our eighth show. Um, and I haven’t like I went to a chamber of commerce event and talked to some of the business owners, but other than my wife and I posting it on Facebook, I haven’t done any marketing for it. Um, in the brief time we’ve done this, we’ve had 533 downloads since we started this, right? It’s not a huge number, but considering I posted it on my Facebook, my wife posted it on a mom’s group she is an admin for on Facebook for our town, that’s it. Otherwise, you know, if we run into people, we’re like, “Oh, you should check out the show.” But we’ve done no advertising for it. But I’ve had the state department of transportation for our state reach out to me and ask me to put me on their media n news notification list to help get information out about the highways and the roads in our area for traffic. So I’m getting direct information from them now. I’ve had our recck department directly reach out to me and talk to me about monization possibilities. I’ve had two of the businesses reach out to me and ask me about monetization possibilities. Um, I’ve had the school reach out to me, the public library, and the chamber of commerce now, right? And this is just all word of mouth and posting on Facebook. Yay. But it’s people who are active are finding it first and are starting to share it. So, I mean, it cost me obviously uh hosting fees. You’re familiar with that, right? So, I’ve got hosting fees invested in it and time at this point. That’s it. Yeah, that’s that’s the good thing about podcasts. The podcasting the entry level is is pretty low. Maybe the the good and the bad thing about because there’s a lot of podcasts out there which is not a you know but at the end of the day I don’t think it’s a bad thing because people so many people are doing it because there’s a need people feel the need to do it they feel the need to express themselves they need the feel they have they have the feel of connect they have the need of connecting so I think it serves it per purposes purpose oh my god I forgot how she’s speaking. It serves its purpose and at the end of the day at the the best ones we stand out naturally. So yeah, I’m I’m not sure where I’m going with that actually. Have you uh have you read this report? You and I met on a platform that we both use. Have you read Alex’s report on that platform? He puts out a monthly state of the union kind of report podcast health. Not really. No. what what he’s talking about. It it comes out every month on Pod Match. It’s it’s free report on Pod Match. You don’t even have to be a member to access it. Um but it’s down at the very bottom. If you scroll to the very bottom of the page to the little tiny submen at the bottom of every website, there’s a a state of podcasting report and he does it monthly. And the average is more people quit podcasting every day than podcasts are created every day. Oh, I guess that’s the industry standard of actually getting So, I told you I’m about to hit 400 on my main show. The statistical likelihood of hitting 400 episodes is less than 2%. Podcasters to get there. Like it is one of the hardest industries. You have more like you have a higher likelihood of starting a brickandmortar business and succeeding at that than you do and succeeding long term as a podcaster. But define succeeding as a podcaster. Staying in it. Staying in it. That that’s the measurement of success. Staying in it and consistently putting out one show every 10 days or less and getting to 400 down 400 episodes. It’s like it bounces between 1.9 and 2.3% of podcasters will ever get there. M with thousands of podcasts disappearing every single day. Most podcasters never get past 10 episodes. I know why. I know exactly why. It’s exactly the same thing when you it’s new year and do this new year resolution like I this year going to go to the gym. This year you’re going to get in shape and then you go to the gym two three times like bro what I’m doing with my life you know and then the motivation goes away. It’s like motivation. I think everyone can can have motivation and start something. The consistency, that’s the hard part. Yeah. Showing up. Showing up. That’s the hard part. Yeah. Everybody overestimates how much they actually love something, right? You You’re People get to go, “Dude, I’m gonna start a podcast on this because I love X.” All right, talk about X for 10 hours straight and get back to me. If you can talk about X, whatever it is, whatever you’re passionate about, for 10 hours solid, and still have more to say about it in that conversation, you might make it as a podcaster. But you have to love, if you’re going to do interview based podcast, right, you have to love talking to other people. You have to love having these conversations and just letting them go anywhere. Most people don’t. They like to listen to them, but they don’t want to talk to a total stranger for an hour or two hours. Why? Because it’s uncomfortable for some people. I don’t get it. I love talking to people for hours. But if you’re on a subject, especially if you’re doing solo stuff, if you can’t talk about it for over 10 hours and and keep going happily after that, you’re probably going to struggle. And if you’re doing interview based shows, you have to enjoy talking to other people and hearing what they have to say. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it’s Yeah, I couldn’t agree more. Yeah, but it depends on the people as well. Some people I like to talk I enjoy talking less than others, but I think that’s natural. It’s part of being human. Like you always going to get along better with some people rather than others. Yeah. Yeah. We We’ve all had those guests where we’re like, I can’t wait for this episode to d I once had one. I think I I I I think I didn’t even published I I deleted the episode immediately. The gu the guy he presented and I got at him from Podmatch if I’m not mistaken. He was on Podmatch. He presented himself as like pro- is um Islam and we need to find a solution for respecting all religions and how to live harmoniously on this planet. And as soon as I uh we started the show, he was like, “Hi, Bruno. I took a look. I I took a look into BruCast. You talk a lot about meditation and self-care and this little world of yours. It’s all going to explode. I was like, “Bro, what are you talking about?” What the hell? Exactly. I was like, “What are you talking about?” He’s like, “Islam. Islam is coming to for you.” I was like, “Okay, enough.” You know, like and we’re we’re done. We’re done. the guy like he came just to be a racist and it happens. I mean, what are you going to do? It’s part of the job. You need to cut those people out. Like, you never know what’s the people you’re going to meet, but you need to enjoy meeting people. That’s the point. Yeah. Well, that’s the thing, right? if you could enjoy like one of my first interviews. Uh, uh, politically leaning, I’m probably more very conservative, uh, Christian background, right? Uh, fundamental values related with a lot of that, right? One of my first guests was an outspoken leader for the LGBTQ community and a feminist. which really just my show was about masculinity and men living their best life, right? And I asked him before we started recording, I’m like, “Bro,” because as he we want to talk about his book and I record when I talk to an author, I I require them sending me a copy of their book first. We’re going to talk about their book so I can read it and actually ask intelligent questions. And it was definitely rough reading his book. Like I was like, I’m struggling with this, right? It was so contrary to my own chosen way of life, right? But I asked him, I was like, you do know what my show is about, right? Are we really want to do this conversation? He’s like, yes, because and that’s the greatest compliment I ever got as a podcaster. He’s like, because I know you will have an honest convers and respectful conversation with me even though we disagree. He said, let me I’ll be upfront. I know we disagree on most of this stuff. He said, but I’m more interested in finding where we can come together in some ground. And I loved that conversation. Like it was one of my favorite conversations I’ve ever done because we could be on totally opposite ends of the spectrum on so much. But we could respect each other and have a real conversation trying to find common ground and make life better for everybody for each of our communities to come to better understandings to actually hear each other out. Like it was a great conversation and I still value that conversation. It was so early. Like I was so I was so bad at podcasting. It’s one of those early conversations. I’m like, “Oh, wow. It’s so embarrassing now.” Um, but we had this great conversation. And that’s one of the reasons I love it. It’s like I can connect with people all over the world, different places, with different opinions, with different ideas. And as long as we can both be respectful, we can have some incredible conversations that need to happen. We all need to talk a little more and be a little slower to just like, you know, be jerks to each other. Yeah. But this is rare because requires some type of emotional intelligence and and that’s not something you learn, you know, it’s it’s something that you fa I mean some people learn. That’s not not all people learn. So it’s hard it’s hard to I I I’m happy that you you had this conversation. Did you change like any of your worldview changed because of this conversation towards the LGBT community? Um I want to say yes and no at the same time. My fundamental beliefs did not uh and this is this is one of those weird lines I walk because I I have a lot of friends who are in that community. I don’t agree with it from a not from a I think people are bad people. It’s from a based on my beliefs as a practicing Christian who follows the Bible. That is my core belief. Does it have to be somebody else’s? No. But that is my core belief. Right? I believe the Bible is true and according to that belief is it’s considered wrong. Okay. Now, let me be really clear about this. It doesn’t mean I think that people who are in that community are bad people or evil people. It doesn’t mean that I don’t love them and care about them as a person. It doesn’t mean that I can’t be friends with them. Right? Like I said, I’ve I’ve been the supervisor for people in that community. I’ve been friends and I am friends with people in that community because the truth is there are a lot of things about me that other people probably think are not right. Does that make me an evil person? No. There are a lot of people who are very outspoken right now in my country. Do I agree with what they’re saying? No. Do I think they’re evil, horrible people? Well, there’s probably some of them out there, but I don’t think they are. I don’t think they’re evil people. I don’t think they’re bad people. I don’t hate them or dislike them or plan on treating them any differently because we don’t agree on something. And so, but I I felt that way for a long time. And so, you know, I have a lot of respect for that guest because he was willing to come on and have those conversations. We didn’t see eye eye on a lot but what we all came to was human beings have value. Everybody every person I believe by the fact that you are breathing you have value. Doesn’t it mean that everything you ever do I’m going to like? No. Is everything I do going to be something somebody likes? No. Certainly not. Right. There are people who have very different ethics and morals than I do. that have nothing to do with a religious belief. Okay? My my disagreement with that community is all based on my religious beliefs. But I also know according to my religious beliefs that God didn’t tell me to judge people. He didn’t tell me to treat people badly. And he didn’t tell me that I should like exercise them. They’re the enemy. But that’s not in the Bible. That’s not what that says. I get really pissed off when self-proclaimed Christians say it is. Do I agree? No. Does that mean I love you less? No. Does that mean I respect you less? No. It means that I think you’re making a bad choice or living in a way that I don’t agree is correct. But I I speed. Oh my god, I speed. So, you know, for some people, I’m I’m breaking a law and I’m breaking some rules and that makes me a horrible person. Unforgivable, Brent. I’m such a horrible person because I speed. Right. And so it really comes down to that kind of argument with me and that but that’s one of the reasons I can have conversations with people is I don’t think I’m morally or ethically superior to anybody. I think we all have things about us that people disagree with for whatever reason. And that doesn’t mean I have to treat you differently or I will treat you differently. And as long as we can go to that, we can live in peace with each other. Yeah, it’s beautiful. Which actor was it? I I’m trying to remember. It was either Hugh Jackman or Toby Maguire or something like that. They were highly I I I don’t remember the actor, but it was like a top class actor in one of those those superhero movies. He was uh highly unsatisfied with how things were were running the set and they’re trying to change this and oh yeah now I remember was Hayden Christian uh the guy who played Anakin Skywalker and and George Lucas. Yeah. Yeah. Hayden, he was a young actor at the time, I don’t know, teen, I don’t know, he was highly unsatisfied with how some of the things were happening, the sets and tried to change this and trying to change that and and giving feedback on everything. And George Lucas saw it, was frustrated. It was like and then and then he he gave him a piece of advice which was instead of trying again I’m paraphrasing guys, it was something along those lines. Instead of trying to change every everything around you, maybe if you’re trying to change something inside of yourself and and and and he said that he was he was paraph paraphrasing Michael Jackson. Really? Okay. Yeah. Famous quote by Michael Jackson. If you take a look at the world and you don’t like what you’re seeing, then take a look at yourself and change something. It’s the paraphrase, but that’s he’s he is famed for that was one of his quotes was if you want to change the world take a look yourself make a change branch let’s end up there what a beautiful ending man where people can find you the easiest place is because I’ve been doing this for so long is you go to my website purpose-drivenmen.com everything is based out of there all my shows all the information all the connection points purposedrivenmen.com is my this is where you come to find me. All right, thank you so much. It was a pleasure. Thank you, Bru. This has been great. All right, everyone. Don’t forget to comment, like, and subscribe, and see you next time. Bye-bye. Thank you so much for hanging out with us today. If it’s your first time watching the show, make sure to like and subscribe. 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